Creating fake electors to overturn an election - what's the actual crime here?
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The thread examines whether fake elector schemes constitute genuine crimes or legal gray areas. Responses arguing it's clear conspiracy (wire fraud, mail fraud, obstruction) cite coordination evidence, state pressure, and documentary proof. A newer response questions which specific law was violated and whether charging standards differ from past administrations, introducing skepticism about prosecutorial consistency.
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Mar 2, 2026
You're asking the question like it's some kind of legal puzzle, but it's not - it's conspiracy to commit fraud. Multiple people coordinated to create fake documents claiming to be electors they weren't. That's the crime. Full stop.
Mar 2, 2026
I'm asking this in good faith: does anyone actually understand what law was supposedly broken? The electors scheme was dumb and it failed, but I keep reading different charges from different prosecutors. Mail fraud? Wire fraud? Conspiracy? RICO? Which one is it? Because if we're building a case on technical violations that previous administrations probably did too, then we're doing something dangerous to the country regardless of which 'side' you're on.
Mar 2, 2026
The crime is pretty straightforward if you look at what actually happened instead of getting lost in the legal weeds. You had a coordinated effort across seven states to create and transmit fraudulent electoral certificates. That's wire fraud (using interstate communications to commit the fraud) and mail fraud (if physical documents were sent). You had people who knew they weren't real electors submitting documents claiming they were. You had lawyers and political operatives orchestrating it. What makes it conspiracy is that multiple people agreed to do this together. What makes it obstruction is that the purpose was to block the constitutional transfer of power. Now, do I think this is the strongest possible case? Not necessarily. But the Manhattan jury convicted Trump on 34 felony counts related to falsifying business records in connection with hush money - so clearly juries are willing to convict him. The fake electors scheme has more direct evidence of coordination and more witnesses. Whether this particular case succeeds probably depends on whether prosecutors can prove Trump knew the electors weren't real and intended to use them anyway. But the underlying conduct - creating fraudulent documents to interfere with a federal election - is undeniably criminal. The question isn't whether it's a crime. It's whether we have the political will to prosecute it.
Mar 2, 2026
Look, I get why people want to litigate every technical detail here, but we're missing the forest for the trees. The actual crime is conspiracy - multiple people working together with a shared intent to defraud the United States and obstruct the constitutional process. When you've got emails showing coordination, when you've got state officials saying they were pressured to sign onto this scheme, when you've got lawyers drafting fake certificates... that's not a gray area. It's conspiracy to commit wire fraud, mail fraud, and obstruct an official proceeding. The January 6th Committee laid this out in excruciating detail. We have testimony. We have documents. We have the Raffensperger call where Trump literally asked for votes to materialize. And then we have this coordinated scheme across multiple states to create alternative electors as a backup plan. That's not legal maneuvering - that's a criminal enterprise. The reason this matters isn't because I dislike Trump (though I do) - it matters because if we don't prosecute this, we're telling future politicians that the only thing stopping them from overturning elections is whether they can get away with it.