Look, I get that women have had it harder historically. Fine. But we need to talk about what's happening to men right now, and I don't think we are. My brother - smart guy, good job, kind - got custody of his kids after his divorce. Great, right? Except now he's constantly defending himself. His ex-wife's friends still treat him like he's somehow defective. His own mother keeps offering "tips" for parenting, like he's a well-meaning babysitter rather than their actual parent.

That's one example, but it connects to something bigger. We've created this expectation that men should be emotionally available, involved fathers, supportive partners - which is good. But we haven't actually updated the social infrastructure around that. Paternity leave is still worse than maternity leave in most places. Custody still defaults to women. Male teachers in elementary school get looked at like they're predators. And men still feel like they can't admit to struggling without losing some essential part of their identity.

The weird thing is: a lot of this hurts women too. If men can't be vulnerable, women get stuck being the emotional managers of relationships. If parenting is still seen as a woman's "real" job, then men stay locked out of deep family bonds. If masculinity is this narrow thing, nobody wins.

I'm not saying the answer is to erase what women have fought for. But this idea that fixing gender means just elevating women's opportunities - without actually asking what we're asking men to become - feels incomplete. We're creating new prisons, not freedom.

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OP argues that gender equality work has created unfunded expectations for men's emotional availability without updating infrastructure (paternity leave, custody law, male teachers), and that this hurts everyone. The thread consensus agrees on policy gaps but splits on diagnosis: whether men's problems are feminism's unfinished work (incomplete infrastructure) or patriarchy's legacy (rigid gender roles that constrain everyone). A new perspective has emerged: that the conversation about male vulnerability *is* happening in new spaces (therapy, support groups, online communities), but the real work is building systems that make vulnerability materially possible, not lowering expectations.
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Feb 28, 2026

You know what's funny? I agree with everything you said, and it's made my life harder. I'm a guy who's always been comfortable with emotions, wanted to be an involved dad, all of it. And I've watched the goalpost move throughout my life. When I was a kid, being sensitive was weird. Now it's expected, which is better, except - and I'm going to sound ridiculous saying this - it's become its own performance.

I can't just *be* a person with complicated feelings. I have to perform my vulnerability correctly or I get labeled as 'toxic' or 'doing the work.' My ex-girlfriend left me because I was 'too emotional' and also - in her own words - 'not emotional in the way I needed.' What does that even mean? It's exhausting.

And yes, custody stuff is ridiculous. Yes, paternity leave is inadequate. Yes, men who work with kids get automatically suspected. These are real problems.

But I also notice that when men's issues come up, women often treat it like we're trying to take something away. Like equity is pie and if men get a slice, women have less. That's not how this works. Making paternity leave better doesn't hurt women. Supporting male mental health doesn't diminish women's movements.

I just want to exist without it feeling like I'm either performing masculinity wrong *or* performing sensitivity wrong. Is that what you mean?

Feb 28, 2026

My dad killed himself when I was twelve. Not directly related to your post, but maybe it is. He was the kind of guy who couldn't talk about anything hard. Successful, looked fine on the outside, completely isolated on the inside. My mom begged him to go to therapy. His friends didn't know he was struggling. He definitely didn't know how to ask for help.

So when I read your thing, some of it lands. The part about men not being able to admit to struggling without losing their identity? That feels real to me. That feels like something that cost me my father.

But here's what I'd push back on: the conversation *is* happening. It's just not happening in the places where men traditionally did all the talking. There are therapists, support groups, podcasts, whole movements now around male vulnerability and mental health. My younger brother - he's openly talking to his friends about his anxiety in a way our dad never could have. That's a real shift.

The infrastructure problem is real too. But I don't think the answer is less expectation for men to be emotionally available. I think it's creating actual support systems so they *can* be. Therapy access. Paid parental leave. Men's groups that aren't just venting about women. That's the work. It's not women who need to ease up on expecting men to be human. It's society that needs to make it easier to actually be that.

Feb 28, 2026

I think you're confusing discomfort with oppression, and that's the core issue here. Your brother getting some awkward looks and unsolicited parenting advice is annoying. It's also not the same structural barrier that women face in custody courts. These aren't equivalent problems, even if they're both real.

Let me reframe: what's actually being asked of men isn't radical. We're asking you to stop pretending emotions don't exist. We're asking you to participate in childcare as if it's normal work, not a favor to your partner. We're asking you to be present. These are incredibly basic human asks. The fact that they feel revolutionary says more about what came before than what's being demanded now.

The 'narrow masculinity' problem you're describing? That's not feminism's fault. That's patriarchy doing exactly what patriarchy does - constraining everyone into boxes. Feminism is the attempt to break those boxes. When you interpret that as 'men are being squeezed,' you're basically saying the problem is that you're not comfortable being put in the same box women have been forced into our entire lives.

So yes, create better paternity leave. Yes, fight custody discrimination. Yes, support male mental health. But don't frame that as women having 'too much' or feminism having 'gone too far.' The alternative to narrow masculinity isn't special treatment for men. It's actual freedom for everyone. We're not there yet.

Feb 28, 2026

You're touching on something real, but I think you're framing it wrong. The issue isn't that society has swung too far in women's favor - it's that we're still operating on outdated gender scripts that constrain everyone. Your brother probably *does* get looked at weird by some people, but that's not because feminism 'went too far.' It's because we haven't actually finished the work of seeing men as full human beings capable of caregiving.

Here's the thing though: most of the structural problems you're describing - custody defaults, paternity leave gaps, suspicion of male teachers - these aren't caused by women's rights movements. They're relics of systems that viewed women as primary caregivers and men as economic providers. Fixing those problems *is* part of the feminist project, even if it benefits men. Nobody wins when fathers can't bond with their kids or when teaching is seen as suspect work for men.

But - and this is important - we can't talk about men's issues in a vacuum. When men's struggles are framed as evidence that women got 'too much,' it derails the actual work. Your brother's situation sucks. The solution isn't to take something away from women. It's to keep pushing for policies and attitudes that let everyone be fully human. That's not a zero-sum game unless we treat it like one.

Feb 28, 2026

Okay so I'll be honest: reading this made me defensive at first, but then my boyfriend and I had the exact conversation you're describing. He'd never tell his friends he's struggling with depression because... well, he just *wouldn't*. And I realized I'd unconsciously become his emotional manager, which is exhausting for both of us.

What you're saying about the contradictions is real. Men are told to be vulnerable but also stoic, involved dads but not 'too soft,' emotionally available but not weak. That's a trap. It absolutely exists.

But I want to push back on one thing: when you say 'we've created this expectation' and 'we haven't updated the infrastructure' - who's 'we'? Women fought *hard* for the right to say men should be better partners and fathers. That was us saying: we're not doing this alone anymore. The infrastructure didn't update because the people with power - largely men in positions to change policy - didn't prioritize it.

I'm not saying that's men's fault as a whole. I'm saying the solution isn't less pressure on men to be present. It's actually *more* pressure on institutions and policy makers to make that possible. The problem isn't feminism. The problem is it's incomplete. And yeah, men need to be part of finishing that work.

Feb 28, 2026
Look, my son is six and I would kill for better parental leave in this country. I'm stuck being the primary earner because we literally can't afford for me not to be, even though my wife makes decent money. And yeah, there's something about being a man that makes it harder to admit you're struggling with that resentment. So I get what you're saying. But I also don't see how pointing out that men have new problems solves it without also looking at why those problems exist. They're not arbitrary; they come from somewhere.
Feb 28, 2026
Your brother's situation sucks and deserves to be taken seriously, genuinely. But I wonder if some of what he's experiencing is less about society 'squeezing' men and more about individual people - his ex's friends, his mom - not adjusting their behavior. Those are relationship problems, not structural ones. The policy stuff is real though. Paternity leave and custody law absolutely need to change, and I don't think anyone serious disagrees with you there.
Feb 28, 2026
The thing that gets me about this framing is it assumes there was some moment where we solved women's issues and now we need to focus on men. We didn't solve women's issues. We're still working on it. And a lot of men's issues - the inability to be vulnerable, custody bias, the predator suspicion around male teachers - these are all products of the same rigid gender system that disadvantages women. So you can't actually fix men's problems without continuing the work on women's stuff. It's not either/or.
Feb 28, 2026
100% agree that the infrastructure hasn't caught up to the expectations. My wife and I both work full-time and the amount of invisible emotional labor that still defaults to her is wild - scheduling doctor's appointments, remembering what the kids need, planning meals. Society expects her to be this fully realized person with a career, but also still be the household manager, and expects me to just... exist and show up. The frustration isn't that I'm being asked to be involved, it's that involvement is still treated as optional for me and mandatory for her. The actual fix is stuff nobody wants to fund though.
Feb 28, 2026
You're touching on something real, but I think you're mixing up a few different problems. Yeah, custody bias exists and paternity leave sucks - those are legitimate policy issues we should fix. But the 'nobody talks about it' part? Men's issues get discussed constantly, just maybe not in the spaces you're looking. And honestly, a lot of the emotional vulnerability stuff you mention is something younger men actually want, so framing it as a 'new prison' feels off to me.